Honestly, I would’ve loved to see this episode with Astra alive and on her way to redemption. Not that it wasn’t brilliant as is (it’s one of my favourites so far), but we know the only reason they chose to off her was because Laura was too busy to film. So it makes me wonder if Astra had still been around, how would she have reacted to see Kara – the one person who believed Astra could change for the better – go to the dark side? Would she embrace the pull to join her or would she be strong enough to resist the urge?
I suppose if there were so much of a chance of Astra switching sides, Alex would remind her what the real Kara would want; what her sweet, kind Little One would hope Astra would choose when seeing her go off the rails like this.
I also want to know how Kara would hurt Astra. We know that even without the ‘that’s why you killed my aunt’ line, the interaction between Kara and Alex was pretty loaded, pretty hurtful. Then again, would she hurt Astra? Or would she understand where Astra – or Non – came from and want to join their side of the battle?
I don’t know, I’m just really interested in what Astra’s role would’ve been; there are so many possibilities.
I’m absolutely here for Red!Kara talking to Astra because that would fuck me up in the best of ways. Because we’ve seen Kara’s rage at Alura for leaving her alone, for being the one to send her away. And we’ve seen Kara angry at Astra, but the thing with that? It’s never really been a personal kind of anger. It’s an anger for the things Astra has done to Earth, and what happened on Krypton, for the atrocities she’s committed in her pursuit of her goals but it’s anger on someone else’s behalf. It’s never really shown to be selfish anger. If Kara is that angry at a hologram of Alura for leaving her alone, how much angrier must she be at Astra, for leaving her alone.
Because unlike Alura, Astra was on Earth. Alura might have made the choice to send her off, but that was a split second decision not to crawl into the pod with Kara, made in the heat of a moment, no time to take it back. But Astra? Day after day, week after week, year after year, Kara had to deal with being the last, the only one who remembered Krypton. She had to shoulder all that loneliness and pain and agony and death all by herself. And we’ve seen with the Black Mercy, there really is very little Kara will not give up to have Alex in her life, but everything else? She’d give up, to have her old life back. And Astra was a part of that life.
And it wasn’t until she became Supergirl did Astra make contact with her. THe woman who taught her the names of all the stars, who once told her she couldn’t love a daughter as much as she loved Kara, and she made the decision over and over not to contact her, because at least from Kara’s perspective, all she would need to do to find out about Kara is to contact Kal-El. But she didn’t.
It’s easy for Kara to be angry on behalf of others, but for herself? That’s a very different story, one we got to see with the red k letting nothing go unsaid and god I wish we got to see Kara’s interacting with her Aunt and then we’d get to see why it took over a decade for them to have contact, or if Astra actually knew where Kara was, or even if Astra knew she was alive (also I want them to hug afterwards they never huggedand I’m so sad)
complete sidenote, but wow did melissa do a fantastic job with red!kara just the way she holds herself as evil!k and just completely transforming anything recognizable about what we’ve come to associate with kara, like we’ve seen plenty of comparisons of how melissa based her work!kara as an homage to calista, and clearly this is also an homage to laura.
Honestly, I would’ve loved to see this episode with Astra alive and on her way to redemption. Not that it wasn’t brilliant as is (it’s one of my favourites so far), but we know the only reason they chose to off her was because Laura was too busy to film. So it makes me wonder if Astra had still been around, how would she have reacted to see Kara – the one person who believed Astra could change for the better – go to the dark side? Would she embrace the pull to join her or would she be strong enough to resist the urge?
I suppose if there were so much of a chance of Astra switching sides, Alex would remind her what the real Kara would want; what her sweet, kind Little One would hope Astra would choose when seeing her go off the rails like this.
I also want to know how Kara would hurt Astra. We know that even without the ‘that’s why you killed my aunt’ line, the interaction between Kara and Alex was pretty loaded, pretty hurtful. Then again, would she hurt Astra? Or would she understand where Astra – or Non – came from and want to join their side of the battle?
I don’t know, I’m just really interested in what Astra’s role would’ve been; there are so many possibilities.
I’m absolutely here for Red!Kara talking to Astra because that would fuck me up in the best of ways. Because we’ve seen Kara’s rage at Alura for leaving her alone, for being the one to send her away. And we’ve seen Kara angry at Astra, but the thing with that? It’s never really been a personal kind of anger. It’s an anger for the things Astra has done to Earth, and what happened on Krypton, for the atrocities she’s committed in her pursuit of her goals but it’s anger on someone else’s behalf. It’s never really shown to be selfish anger. If Kara is that angry at a hologram of Alura for leaving her alone, how much angrier must she be at Astra, for leaving her alone.
Because unlike Alura, Astra was on Earth. Alura might have made the choice to send her off, but that was a split second decision not to crawl into the pod with Kara, made in the heat of a moment, no time to take it back. But Astra? Day after day, week after week, year after year, Kara had to deal with being the last, the only one who remembered Krypton. She had to shoulder all that loneliness and pain and agony and death all by herself. And we’ve seen with the Black Mercy, there really is very little Kara will not give up to have Alex in her life, but everything else? She’d give up, to have her old life back. And Astra was a part of that life.
And it wasn’t until she became Supergirl did Astra make contact with her. THe woman who taught her the names of all the stars, who once told her she couldn’t love a daughter as much as she loved Kara, and she made the decision over and over not to contact her, because at least from Kara’s perspective, all she would need to do to find out about Kara is to contact Kal-El. But she didn’t.
It’s easy for Kara to be angry on behalf of others, but for herself? That’s a very different story, one we got to see with the red k letting nothing go unsaid and god I wish we got to see Kara’s interacting with her Aunt and then we’d get to see why it took over a decade for them to have contact, or if Astra actually knew where Kara was, or even if Astra knew she was alive (also I want them to hug afterwards they never huggedand I’m so sad)
complete sidenote, but wow did melissa do a fantastic job with red!kara just the way she holds herself as evil!k and just completely transforming anything recognizable about what we’ve come to associate with kara, like we’ve seen plenty of comparisons of how melissa based her work!kara as an homage to calista, and clearly this is also an homage to laura.
so everyone thinks that kara’s this sweet kid who never uses language stronger than ‘hell’ and ‘goddamn’, but when she’s really frustrated she sometimes goes off in kryptonese and no one knows what she’s saying, until one day clark and astra are there, and alex asks them to translate, and clark just goes bright red and refuses because, honestly, it’s filthy and some of the anatomy involved doesn’t really translate, and astra asks him why he’s looking at her, because she didn’t teach kara how to say that (even though she probably totally did)
alex being, not just surprised, but insulted and a tiny little bit betrayed and the next time, just before they spar in the ring, she slugs her in the shoulder because do you know how much i needed to cuss that alien out that one time, kara, because it was a lot, kara, and i’m your sister, gdi,and you kept this from me, and all those times i got in trouble for swearing as a kid, while you were saying that behind the vice-principal’s back!? how dare you
The complicated story of Kara, her mother, and her aunt: People talk about us in mere tragedy, but infrequent are tragedies that do not have a speck of hope, a dreg of happiness, a split-second joy. (x)
had this commissioned from @toodrunktofindaurl I’m love??? All I wanted was a hug between Kara and Astra I FINALLY GOT IT i want that hug so much I will literally pay for it they are no longer hugging only in my dreams
I hoped someday, in some better place, I’d get a chance to explain it to her, and maybe she’d be proud of me, one last time, after all these years. – Escape from Spiderhead, by George Saunders [x]
hey do y’all think that if alex had seen astra in the black mercy, she wouldn’t have killed her? do you think that if alex realised that in kara’s perfectly happy world, astra was there, that she would’ve done whatever she could to keep astra alive, so that kara didn’t have to lose her aunt? do you think that astra would’ve listened to alex, at once, immediately, the moment she realised that she belonged in kara’s perfect world? that her niece loved her that much? do you think that if alex had seen astra in the black mercy, and told astra, we might’ve got a scene where astra and kara actually got to hug? where kara told astra that she was in the black mercy, not as her enemy, but as her family, and astra might have laughed through her tears, from joy, from happiness, from love, rather than as she lay dying?
because i do
do you also think about how Astra probably had the same fantasy as Kara if she were under the Black Mercy?
So I had a thought earlier and now I need it to be a thing: What if Astra was the leader of the Legion instead of White Bread Manhell? Imagine Astra’s funeral pod getting pulled through the wormhole and it spits her out next to the sun so she heals, and then she crashes to Earth and finds out that a thousand years have passed and Kara is dead (whether from age or something else, I’m not sure) and she’s just so devastated because she thought she could have another chance with her little one. But Astra is nothing if not resilient, and she sees the state of the world and decides to be the hero Kara knew she could be, and so she gathers the Legion and trains them and they’re not an army but she leads them anyways and in time they’re the family she lost on Krypton.
Imagine dorky Brainiac and Imra seeing Astra as a mother. Imagine Astra learning to love these people and vowing to keep them safe no matter what. Imagine Astra being part of a team, having people who love and believe in her and knowing they don’t see her as less for her past. Imagine Astra getting to see Kara again at last when the ship gets sucked back in time and the joy mixed with agony because she knows she has to leave again. Guys, I need this.
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